On Monday, the conservative blog, Redstate, issued a blanket ban on all Ron Paul supporters' comments and diary entries.
Captain Ed of Captain's Quarters has the full story and weighs in calling the ban of Paul's supporters to question regardless of ideological differences:
It's their community, of course, and they set the rules. However, this doesn't hurt Paul's credibility as much as it does Redstate's. While Paul's supporters tend towards the annoying and repetitive, they have less impact because we can easily engage them and counter their arguments. Banning them simply for their support for a candidate seems more like an admission that Redstate lacks that ability.
I'm no Paul supporter by any means. However, Paul's statements can be addressed and rebutted fairly easily, at least those with which I strongly disagree. I don't fear the commenters nor the debate, even if it does grow tiresome at times. It certainly can't be any more tiresome than the S-CHIP debate, or the Iraq War debate, or the FISA debate -- and I'd have less sympathy for opponents on those issues than the people who support Ron Paul.
I agree with Captain Ed. Generally, Republicans need to welcome Ron Paul (and all others willing to wear a Republican banner) to the debate and the discussion. If Ron Paul doesn't win the nomination, we need him to actively endorse and support the winner so that his supporters will use their energy to defeat Hillary.
Personally, I recognize that Paul's support is very, very real, especially in the politics + tech sphere. He is the people-powered Howard Dean candidate of 2008 which I've been saying we need to "prove" the importance of an effective Internet strategy. He is that Revolution.
UPDATE 12:34 PM: Others covering this story:
- * Kate Phillips of the New York Times' Caucus Blog.
* Josh Levy notes it in his Daily Digest at TechPresident.
* Jose Antonio Vargas of the Washington Post.
* Sarah Lai Stirland of Wired.
UPDATE 1:34 PM: Mike Krempasky, one of the co-founders of Redstate, points out in the comments of this thread that the ban was not a "blanket ban" as Captain Ed and I read it to be.
Semantics and interpretation are important, so here's the text of the entire Redstate post for you to decide for yourself:
Effective immediately, new users may *not* shill for Ron Paul in any way shape, form or fashion. Not in comments, not in diaries, nada. If your account is less than 6 months old, you can talk about something else, you can participate in the other threads and be your zany libertarian self all you want, but you cannot pimp Ron Paul. Those with accounts more than six months old may proceed as normal.
Now, I could offer a long-winded explanation for *why* this new policy is being instituted, but I'm guessing that most of you can probably guess. Unless you lack the self-awareness to understand just how annoying, time-consuming, and bandwidth-wasting responding to the same idiotic arguments from a bunch of liberals pretending to be Republicans can be. Which, judging by your comment history, you really don't understand, so allow me to offer an alternate explanation: we are a bunch of fascists and we're upset that you've discovered where we keep the black helicopters, so we're silencing you in an attempt to keep you from warning the rest of your brethren so we can round you all up and send you to re-education camps all at once.
Hey, we're sure *some* of Ron Paul's supporters really are Republicans. They can post at any one of a zillion Ron Paul online forums. Those who have *earned* our respect by contributing usefully for a substantial period of time will be listened to with appropriate respect. Those who have not will have to *earn* that respect by contributing usefully in the other threads... and not mentioning Ron Paul. Given a month of solid contributing, send one of us an email and we'll consider lifting the restriction on your account.
You may now resume your regularly scheduled RedState activities. Everyone but the Ron Paul spammers, that is. You can resume your regularly scheduled activities somewhere else.
P.S. Comments to this post are closed. Complaints may be directed to the contact form.
UPDATE 8:11 PM: OK, I'll respond. Redstate's Erick Erickson has drafted a 1,600 word argument against me, personally and professionally, on the premise that I'm a tech and PR guy, not an ideologue. Therefore, I should keep the blogging to the rest of the field.
This sums it up:
I think David is using our story to get himself some attention as a professional tech consultant on the right. David can ride our news into media punditry if he wants, he's good at it, but I think he needs to get a better grasp on the issues and ideology coming before the technology before going to Wired, the New York Times, and the Washington Post. The tech is just a tool in the strategic battle ground. Losing focus on the cause because of being enamored by the technology, is going to put David in bed with the holders of the coolest tech toy, whether that's Vis Numar on the left or the Ron Paul Stormfront advertisers on the fringe right, not the best ideas.
Sheesh. That's a lot of finger pointing.
I shouldn't have to, but let me explain why Redstate's actions were newsworthy on their own merits: Redstate has become iconic in many ways, especially on Capitol Hill. For many, including Democrats and PR professionals, it represents the "conservative blogosphere." Accurate or not, the brand has strength among influential people.
Erick understands and perpetuates the influence Redstate wields among politicos. In fact, as Erick told the National Journal for a cover story on blogs, “When [Democratic Senator Dick Durbin] wanted to reach out to the Right online, he came to RedState to do it.â€
Reporters read blogs. Reporters that cover the tech + politics beat read TechRepublican. They also read TechPresident where my post was picked up this morning. All of the reporters I spoke with today also told me that dozens of Ron Paul supporters had personally emailed them yesterday to urge them to write about Redstate's comments policy. I didn't ask, but they probably read the Politico's story on Redstate's comments policy yesterday.
In short, news is news. And this was news, my friend.
And please read my post again from this morning. I never called to question Redstate's authority to set its own comment parameters to better regulate its community. (In fact, after reading some of the comments left on the blog, I understand why they needed to enforce some sort of policy to keep it above water.)
I simply blogged about Captain Ed's response to the comment ban and then agreed with Ed that this could dig in to the credibility of Redstate rather than that of Paul and that Redstate should have found a better balance to establish an appropriate comments policy.
I consider a few of the contributors to Redstate friends, and others colleagues. We've disagreed before. We disagree today. We probably will again another day. That's just the way it goes in the arena of ideas.
UPDATE 9 PM: Last update on this thread, on Ron Paul being a Republican, I asked him that question specifically during an episode of DomeNation. Agree with him or not, you can view his response at the three-minute mark:
UPDATE 11:12 PM: Liz Mair weighs in on this discussion.
UPDATE Oct. 25, 10:37 PM: I've posted a thorough response to some of the recent criticism I've taken with regard to this issue. Sarah Lai Stirland is still following the issue. Andrew Sullivan weighs in.














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"issued a blanket ban on all Ron Paul supporters' comments and diary entries."Um, no we didn't.Â
Red State garbage
Red State is hypocrisy exemplified. A blog can present itself as open to comment or closed. Most blogs are closed to outsiders and therefore small. Red State presents itself as open to various viewpoints. However, those who join soon find out that this is not true. Countless commenters who disagree with those "in power" have had their accounts unceremoniously shut down without so much as a word. This makes the site into little more than a closed site. However, the dishonest thing is that it still presents itself as open. This is the hypocrisy.Â
 There's nothing wrong with being a closed blog. Just announce your intentions, instead of creating a sham for only people who agree with you. It's insulting to regular people.
Thanks for the update, David
Since words like "blanket" are so vulnerable to semantics and interpretation. Very helpful of you. Hope you got good quote out of it.
No problem Mike...
And you may want to check in with Captain Ed who also used the term "blanket" to describe your policy:
Red State Bans Ron Paul
For many, including Democrats and PR professionals, it represents the "conservative blogosphere."---------------------------------------------------------------In other words, Red State contributers and the plagiarizing Brownback-loving spoilsport who runs it are the idiots on Craigslist who figured out blogging technology.what do they have to say for themselves?"Ron Paul supporters are spammers with nothing to say. They think Ron Paul is Jesus Christ and blindly follow his talking points without giving any relevant discourse on why they support his positions."Then when crazy, moonbat, tin-foil hat-wearing Paulites defend their arguments, you here how condescending, uppity, boring, and school marmish they are.In other words, the people at Red State would apparently like the world to know (because where I rarely even see mainstream news articles that cover the Presidential elections even mention Paul's name, but suddenly his supporters being kicked off a second-rate blog that maybe twenty people contribute to made headlines)... they don't go for no fancy book larnin' at Red State. Vote Fred Thompson.You may now resume your usual Red State activities. The Corn Huskers lotion is in the upper right hand drawer.
Ironic
...that you complain about RS calling RP supporters "crazy, moonbat, tin-foil hat-wearing Paulites," and then proceed to babble about a "second-rate blog" with people who aren't in to "fancy book larnin'."
Typical.
FWIW
Beth - I think the anon commenter you responded to may be a bot. At least the last two lines are plagiarized from a Wonkette comment.
RedState Culture
Personally I find the outright ban distasteful, but par for the course with the current Republican climate. I'm currently in my probationary period during which one must use [The Unmentionable Candidate] or codewords like 'Voldemort' to refer to him. Spammers and trolls exist everywhere, and really do no good for whatever movement they are behind, however, RedStates method of dealing with them is obviously to me over the top baby-with-the-bathwater suppression, and quite telling of the state of political discourse when it relates to this election.
From a PR perspective, RedState is doing no one on the right a favor. The Republicans *have* lost their way, and they seem to be doing everything they can to stay lost, with a few exceptions.
You really are too easy on Erick.
His statements are uncalled for. He is not addressing the content of your post. In fact, he ignores it in order to question your motivation. Would you be as cavalier about his statements if was coming from a liberal? He owes you an apology.
It is instructive to note that Erick and Redstate continue to post attacks on Ron Paul supporters and construct rationalizations that are primariy founded on cherry picking comments, ad hominem, and appeal to their own arrogant authority on who is and is not a Republican. At the time of this comment 3 of their 10 "Recommended Diaries" are attacking Ron Paul and Ron Paul supporters. Including this gem:
"A Brief Administrative Note -Okay, we (and by "we" I mean the moderators) have had a lot of fun with the whole YouTube thing when it comes to the moRons. But it's time to take our site back for non-Ron Paul purposes. This means not letting moRon diaries overrun legitimate diaries, etc. Effective immediately, pro-Paul diaries and comments from new users will be summarily deleted, no matter how reasonable, crazy, whatever it is that they might be. It takes us two seconds to hit the delete button on both your diary and your account, moRons. We will be enforcing this policy without exception."
Only Pro-Paul diaries are banned. Not Anti-Paul diaries. It would be funny if it was not so pathetic.
I'll paraphrase here what I wrote on Erick's site -
It is astonishing that the supporters of the only GOP candidate that actually seems to engender passionate support and is pulling brand spanking new registered Republicans into the party are not deemed to be fit to participate on a Republican board.
I know Republicans were able to get this President elected with a minority popular vote once, but it has to at least be close to pull that off. Trust me guys, its easier if you get more votes.
There is some serious self delusion going on in this party, if in fact Erick and RedState truly "represent the conservative blogosphere."
I prefer to believe that Al and Ed are more representative. I guess we'll see.
FYI - formatting issue
I've fixed your comment to remove the formatting issue.
It was indeed a problem with your copy/paste.
Thanks for weighing in.
Well...
I started to write a long comment here last night about the Paul people, but I made it a post instead. Shorter version for here--I think you're only guilty of not understanding the ridiculous nuisance they are. They really ARE a nuisance, amounting to nothing more than trolls when at any site that doesn't worship at the altar of the Reverend Doctor Saint Ron Paul the Messiah of 2008. If it were just a matter of, say, a bunch of people writing blog posts at RS in support of RP or whomever, it would be one thing--but it goes way, way beyond that.
Yes, they have "passion," but passion in itself isn't necessarily a virtue. I also doubt that there are more than 5% of them who'd vote GOP without Ron Paul, and that small percentage is the exception to the trolling behaviour--and they probably will still vote GOP. Nobody has a problem with them, anyway. Ron Paul's supporters by and large despise the Republican Party and the other candidates, calling them fascists, liberals, fundies, etc. I'd go so far as to say that if RP were to run third party (which I seriously doubt will happen), he wouldn't siphon off a measurable number of voters from the GOP.
Anyway, I'll cut it short. My full response is linked in my name.Â
By the way, you don't have trackbacks enabled here?Â
Thanks for the comment
Re: "By the way, you don't have trackbacks enabled here?"
We were getting barraged by SPAM and had to shut it down. I'll read your post.
Thanks,
David
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